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  Evolution is fact Bias - corrected post

  by Decidedly_Unsure in

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  all object-oriented languages have some means,.

  the dog class defines messages that the dog.

  this is the key for someone with no bias toward evolution.

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  Rem,
  

  Do you like Decidedly's answer because it's true and fits all of the facts, or do you like it because it makes you feel good?

  I like it (emotion) because it is Plausible.
  I don't pin my hopes on it being true, to me it's just a very plausible answers that should not be dismissed out of hand.
  If there is stong unbiased information to refute it well and good.

  Has Decidedly provided any evidence for his theory, such as who this creator is? A useful theory has to be falsifiable. Is this theory falsifiable?

  Doesn't need to provide evidence for theory he was just proposing an alternate conclution from the now concider facts of useless DNA(is it a proven fact that it is really Junk DNA?)(Maybe, but who really knows for sure)(Do scientist really understand everything about the DNA code to make that statement with absolute certainty?)

  Anyone can make a plausible sounding theory that only takes into account a subset of the entire range of evidence. This is why it's easy for laymen to get off track - we don't know all the minutia, just the broad outlines.

  Are those who question theories you hold as true always off track?
  Sound a little like "confirmation-itus Bias" to me.

  Now I'm not saying that Decidedly's idea is certainly wrong (there are a lot of "could be" stories), but there is certainly no way of providing evidence for that idea or even falsifying it. Also, the fact that it only addresses a narrow subset of the data instead of the whole range of evidence makes it almost impossible to be correct.

  So your not saying Decidely's idea is wrong,... just almost impossibly to be right. Wow that's a real confusing statement.

  Moxy,

  the basic problem with this argument for most people is that it DOES attribute human qualities to the Creator.

  I guess it does, many beleive that Man was created in God's image.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Ex-JW Baloney Detection Kit

  by Mindchild in

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  i've been busy moving today but enjoyed reading the debates over evolution vs. creationsism.

  what i thought of when reading all this is that ex-dubs are in a desperate need for baloney detectors.

  the borganization has kept the average witness in the dark so long that when they come out they seldom have the skills or knowledge to see past their own conceptual reality.

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  larc,

  Do you mean this:

  . The confirmation bias is powerful...That is why the methods of science that emphasize checking and rechecking, verification and replication, and especially attempts to falsify a claim, are so critical.

  What that says to me is that scientist
  are human and need this checking system to keep them from being biased on theories they have lached onto, because human nature being what it is we have a tendancy to get emotionally involved no matter if we are a scientist or layperson.
  The less emotionally invovled or attached to a theory the better our chances at moving on or getting closer to the truth about a given set of facts and to what conclusions they lead us.
  So if we try to be unbiased and open to other possible conclusions which may be equally plausible, the better, or more probable our search will lead us to better(only better)understanding, it may not to the abosute truth,that depends on other limitations at the time of our investigation.
  But as the writer of the above quote brings out we need to question and verify.
  The questioner in my Opinon does not need to provide alternative theories to the theory that he questions in order for his questions to have any validity. All he has to have is questions that are relevent.
  If someone then tries to dismiss his question with a weak argument or "adhominem", could that be a sign of "confirmaton bias"?(To emotionally involved to reason fairly.)(on his part)

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Ex-JW Baloney Detection Kit

  by Mindchild in

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  i've been busy moving today but enjoyed reading the debates over evolution vs. creationsism.

  what i thought of when reading all this is that ex-dubs are in a desperate need for baloney detectors.

  the borganization has kept the average witness in the dark so long that when they come out they seldom have the skills or knowledge to see past their own conceptual reality.

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  mindchild,
  That's some good stuff I like this one as well as others:

  5. Has anyone gone out of the way to disprove the claim, or has only supportive evidence been sought?
  This is the confirmation bias, or the tendency to seek confirmatory evidence and to reject or ignore disconfirmatory evidence. The confirmation bias is powerful, pervasive and almost impossible for any of us to avoid. It is why the methods of science that emphasize checking and rechecking, verification and replication, and especially attempts to falsify a claim, are so critical.

  Why do some propose their theories(or the theories they accept) as the only logical conclusion, is it because they are seeking only confirmation evidence and have bias, but need to be more subjective?

  Wouldn't alternatives need to be given a little more fairer treatment.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Evolution is fact Bias - corrected post

  by Decidedly_Unsure in

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  all object-oriented languages have some means,.

  the dog class defines messages that the dog.

  this is the key for someone with no bias toward evolution.

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  larc,

  Decidedly_Unsure already did I like his.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  What do you think about Evolution debates?

  by rem in

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  what do you think about evolution debates?.

  this is not going to be a thread about which theory is correct.

  i want to ask the board if anyone has actually found these discussions on evolution to be beneficial to themselves.

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  Dannybear,

  I may have been rude to you I think one time in the past, please except my apology.
  Very thoughtful post BTW.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Evolution is fact Bias - corrected post

  by Decidedly_Unsure in

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  all object-oriented languages have some means,.

  the dog class defines messages that the dog.

  this is the key for someone with no bias toward evolution.

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  larc,
  You need to get out of this rut:

  Now if you posit that a God created each individual species, then we would have to assume that he is neither stupid or lazy. When creating a new species, why didn't he had complexity or uniquensess to the code to create the new species and clean out the junk while he was at it? That would be special creation, but the logic does not support special creation, based on dna evidence.

  That's simply black and white thinking.
  Can't there be other possibilties than what you suggest?

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Evolution is a fact post - Biased view?

  by Decidedly_Unsure in

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  <p>the "evolution is a fact" argument started by janh seems to have found.

  in fact, most of the.

  <br>the argument mentioned by janh.. <br>the key is inheritance, please read through to the explanation of what.

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  Danny bears right just click on the edit paper to your right.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  7th Heaven the American TV Show?

  by D wiltshire in

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  how do you think the actor for the rev.

  erik camden does the part of a true christian?

  not only the actor but the part he playes.. .

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  I have no idea,.. well if that's true then he's a dam good actor.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Evolution is fact Bias - corrected post

  by Decidedly_Unsure in

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  all object-oriented languages have some means,.

  the dog class defines messages that the dog.

  this is the key for someone with no bias toward evolution.

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  Decidedly_Unsure,

  I like your post makes sense that is what I can understand of it I'll have to print and read more carefully to get the finer points.

  Naeblis,
  I think he has made a very plausible answer to you question already.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  What do you think about Evolution debates?

  by rem in

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  what do you think about evolution debates?.

  this is not going to be a thread about which theory is correct.

  i want to ask the board if anyone has actually found these discussions on evolution to be beneficial to themselves.

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  peaceloveharmony,

  I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound mean.
  I just was trying to bring the thread back to it's original purpose, I thought Rem was a real stickler for that from his post, but since he now does not seem to mind and with his good graces I would like to say I like these debates, and I think we will find out a lot if we are both interested in the same thing, "the quest for truth".
  I know we will never find THE TRUTH, but if we try on both sides to be fair, and admit both side have to makes great leaps in faith to beleive.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?